tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949953051173416434.post679370937856778277..comments2012-01-09T22:57:12.623-05:00Shtiklerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07498936768989355610noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949953051173416434.post-74798589599859512192012-01-09T22:57:12.623-05:002012-01-09T22:57:12.623-05:00Firstly, thank you for your comment. I am not understanding your assertion, though, because of the following: Beis Din must sanctify the new moon during the daytime. (Rosh Hashana 25b) The Yerushalmi states that once they sanctify it the following day is Rosh Chodesh. If Beis Din is proclaiming the sanctification then the moon must have become visible prior to this time. This is because they only sanctify after it has become visible. So, it would be impossible for the case to be that the new moon was sighted and sanctified at night (post sunset) and that that is what is meant by being the next day because Beis Din cannot sancitfy the moon at night. This is why Rashi, the Shibolei Haleket and the Korbon Haeidah all state that we are talking about a case where the moon was sighted and sanctified on one day, but the sanctification does not take effect until the next. Also, I am a little confused because the new moon can be seen prior to sunset. I am also not sure what you are citing from Rebbi Yose (Berachos 2b). Although perhaps you are referencing what Rav Y. I. Chaver mentions in his Seder Zmanim. He mentions that for the purposes of judgment daytime extends past sunset. Are you stating that this Yerushalmi goes with that until the opinion of Rebbi Yose which is later than even Rebbi Yehuda's opinion. (See Shabbos 34b, Tosefos there, the Rosh there; and Ramban Toras Haadam, Aveilus Yeshana) If so, until that point is the first day and after that point is the next, so how would that work with the Yerushalmi? Also, he reads this even in Rebbi Yehuda based on the Peirush Hamishnayos at the end of the second perek of Shabbos. Can you please clarify?Ari S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/15688549063544341675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949953051173416434.post-45616454359437526542012-01-09T20:32:39.732-05:002012-01-09T20:32:39.732-05:00The new moon is not visible until *after sunset*. At that point, it *IS* the next day, at least according to Rebbi's explanation (of R. Yosi's enigmatic "B.H. k'heref ayin v'lo yachlu hachamim la'amod alav, ze nichnas v'zeh yotzei") in first perek of Y. Berachos.J.B.Grossnoreply@blogger.com